What does it take to move people from poverty to opportunity?

In a powerful two-part episode of Neighbors in the Network, hosts James Pinedo and Corey Burres sit down with Nic Dunn, Vice President of Strategy and Senior Fellow at the Sutherland Institute, to explore how Utah is setting the standard for welfare reform rooted in dignity, data, and upward mobility.

Despite ranking #1 in the nation for upward mobility, Utah isn’t standing still. Nic explains why true leadership means not just celebrating success—but asking who’s still being left behind and how we can do better.

From the unintended consequences of benefits cliffs to the inspiring stories of single parents striving for independence, this conversation challenges the way we think about the safety net—and offers a vision of policy that empowers people rather than traps them in cycles of dependency.

Watch the full conversation below!